Learning to Disagree Better with Mr. T-Shirt Man: One Ripple at a Time
The Moment My Heart Starts Racing
I feel my heart pump faster.
He really just said that?
He actually believes that lie?
Seriously?
An hour earlier, everything had begun beautifully. It was a gorgeous Saturday morning with a surprising number of like-minded people gathering in our small town to celebrate freedom. I came with a few friends and met up with a couple others once we arrived. We were among “our people” and it felt good.
And then he walks up.
We’d been chatting with strangers all morning, but this one feels . . . different.
My energy shifts as I read the message on his T-shirt. Uh-oh. I immediately think he and I believe different facts.
Nonetheless—because I want to be open-minded—a few of us engage when he starts asking questions.
It’s not long before the disagreements surface. He makes a statement; we counter. He doubles down; we counter that.
Back and forth it goes.
It’s not ugly, per se. It’s definitely not violent. From the outside it might even appear civil.
But I find myself getting riled up anyway with Mr. T-Shirt Man. I feel exhausted. I walk away for a few minutes. Others in our group carry on the conversation. They appear calmer than I am.
I can’t stay away for long though. I’m too curious.
The conversation becomes more strained. Eventually, we encourage him to move along because we’re getting nowhere together.
He agrees to leave. I don’t know where he goes next.
But I know where I go . . . .
Finding My Way to Braver Angels
A few weeks later on another Saturday morning, I find myself seated around round tables in a different city.
I’m attending a workshop hosted by Braver Angels, a national cross-partisan organization that specializes in “taking a stand against toxic politics.”
It’s where I need to be now.
(And where I wish I’d been a month earlier before I met Mr. T-Shirt Man.)

Our topic of the day is “Skills for Disagreeing Better.”
Our facilitator guides us through a workbook. He tells us it is possible to have healthy conversations over disagreeable topics.
I want to believe him.
Practicing the Skills: Learning to LAPP
Then comes the role-playing. We practice one-on-one conversations. Taking opposite sides. Turning off our inner debaters.
We try out LAPP:
1. Listen.
Focus on hearing the other person’s view instead of preparing your rebuttal.
2. Acknowledge.
Reflect back what you heard so they know you understood (and are continuing to try to).
3. Pivot.
Ask if they’re open to hearing your perspective, then wait for a verbal yes.
4. Perspective.
Share your view using tools like:
- Using I-statements
- Naming your sources
- Telling a personal story
- Avoiding negative labels
- Mentioning something you agree with
Some of the skills come easily to us; others are difficult.

Better Equipped—and Better Intentioned
By the end of the session, I do feel better equipped. But more importantly, I feel better intentioned.
I don’t want my goal in difficult conversations to be to win, to change someone’s mind to my way of thinking. I’d rather connect—to really see the fellow human being in front of me instead of only noticing the stereotype, regardless of the message they’re wearing outwardly.
Will I ever run into Mr. T-Shirt Man again? Probably not. But if do, I hope the LAPP skills I practiced with Braver Angels will ripple into our conversation.
Maybe next time I could engage with him a little longer. Hear his words a little clearer. And connect with his humanity a little stronger.
Or . . maybe not.
We don’t get to control the outcomes. But we do get to work on our process.
To be better, do better.
One small ripple at a time.

Is it hard for you to have conversations with people on the “other side” of your political position? I’d love to hear in the comments.
If you’re curious about Braver Angels, here is the link to their free e-courses.
Read more:
- Is Politics Hopeless? 5 Ways to Practice Hope in Politics
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Loving Violet taught me that compassion means little if it stays only in the heart—it must move through the body, too. - Are You Listening With Both Your Ears?
If you want clearer depth perception, including in your relationships, listen in stereo.
- Use Nonfiction to See Through Someone Else’s Eyes
- The 4 Nonfiction Books I’m Reading Next (And Why They Made the List)
As a country, we need to learn how to have meaningful, civil discourse with one another. We may never see eye to eye, but truly listening, treating another with respect and dignity, can go a long way in mending any divides. Blessings, Lisa, and thanks for this “ripple.”
I agree with you that we definitely need to speak more respectfully with everyone, whether we agree or disagree. That skill seems to be disappearing over the past few years, but it’s still possible to keep it alive. I appreciate your graciousness, Martha.
I appreciated these thoughts, Lisa. It reminded me of the term, “Intellectual Hospitality” which when I first learned about the term now ties in with what you have shared. The C.S. Lewis Foundation addressed it at their Oxford conferences two years ago and it was the title of one of their talks…I attended virtually!
The need is great and we all must learn to give grace when such encounters arise.
I’ve not heard of that phrase, Lynn – how interesting! I’ll look it up because I love the sound of it. Thank you for sharing this here! I need all the tools I can get. ha.
What an encouraging story of personal growth in this overly contentious era!
It can be hard to have a calm discussion with those whose views are in stark opposition to our own deeply held beliefs. On the other hand, I believe that God smiles when we remember that we have never looked into the eyes of someone who doesn’t matter to God. When we listen, I mean really listen to others, we can bridge the gap between indifference and understanding.
My husband & I were talking about ripples in a family matter this morning Lisa & I immediately thought of you & your WOTY.
I love how you’re willing to learn different ways of both communicating & listening to others in the opposing political camp, which is a wonderful ripple in itself!
Blessings, Jennifer
I know it doesn’t matter to the story, but I’m dying to know what was on that t-shirt. ????
Lisa, this is such an encouraging post. It’s given me so much food for thought because I know I could have benefitted from attending the Braver Angels meeting. I too often focus on the topic or issue at hand rather than viewing the person on the opposite side as a person…I tend to only see their views. Thank you, Friend.
Learning to disagree better is definitely a skill the world needs right now with views becoming entrenched and polarised everywhere. Thanks so much for sharing your nonfiction reads.
This is a great post, Lisa. Wonderful tips. There have been many, many times I wish I had disagreed better! I’ll be featuring this post at Thursday Favorite Things today. 🙂
Wow! LAPP is a powerful tool, Lisa. Thanks for sharing this with us.