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		By: Angela Gary		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Lord calls us to forgive but He does not demand fellowship with those that have hurt us.  I feel like I could write an illustrated book on this topic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lord calls us to forgive but He does not demand fellowship with those that have hurt us.  I feel like I could write an illustrated book on this topic.</p>
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		By: Michelle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Feb 2025 16:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We grow when we entertain opposing viewpoints, even if we end up retaining our original opinion. We are more likely to know why we hold the opinion we do in that case. (Honestly, it drives me nuts when I ask someone why they hold a certain opinion and they respond with “I don’t know.”)

As for forgiveness, life has taught me that some things are unforgivable. And perhaps counterintuitively, I was able to make peace with the trauma and move on after I realized this. But I think we are all different.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We grow when we entertain opposing viewpoints, even if we end up retaining our original opinion. We are more likely to know why we hold the opinion we do in that case. (Honestly, it drives me nuts when I ask someone why they hold a certain opinion and they respond with “I don’t know.”)</p>
<p>As for forgiveness, life has taught me that some things are unforgivable. And perhaps counterintuitively, I was able to make peace with the trauma and move on after I realized this. But I think we are all different.</p>
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		By: Donna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Feb 2025 22:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi, Lisa - Great questions, and great war on your Kindle. I believe that we can absolutely forgive someone without trusting them further; forgiveness is about releasing ourselves from the emotional burden of a hurt, while trust is about believing someone will act reliably in the future, and the two concepts are distinct from each other; you can choose to forgive someone for their actions while still maintaining boundaries and not fully trusting them again.  At least, that&#039;s how I currently see it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Lisa &#8211; Great questions, and great war on your Kindle. I believe that we can absolutely forgive someone without trusting them further; forgiveness is about releasing ourselves from the emotional burden of a hurt, while trust is about believing someone will act reliably in the future, and the two concepts are distinct from each other; you can choose to forgive someone for their actions while still maintaining boundaries and not fully trusting them again.  At least, that&#8217;s how I currently see it.</p>
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		By: Lory @ Entering the Enchanted Castle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lory @ Entering the Enchanted Castle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Feb 2025 11:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The definition of forgiveness is essential! Moral strictures that come from the outside are not really helpful to anyone, we need to find out for ourselves what is healing. For me, forgiveness has come to mean not making my own recovery dependent on another person&#039;s repenting, realizing what they did wrong, or changing in any way -- becoming independent of them and turning toward other sources of healing. But I think there are other definitions against which one might rightfully rebel. There is certainly much to say about the topic and many ways to navigate it, sounds like you found some that are thought-provoking from different sides.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The definition of forgiveness is essential! Moral strictures that come from the outside are not really helpful to anyone, we need to find out for ourselves what is healing. For me, forgiveness has come to mean not making my own recovery dependent on another person&#8217;s repenting, realizing what they did wrong, or changing in any way &#8212; becoming independent of them and turning toward other sources of healing. But I think there are other definitions against which one might rightfully rebel. There is certainly much to say about the topic and many ways to navigate it, sounds like you found some that are thought-provoking from different sides.</p>
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		By: LisaNotes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 23:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lisanotes.com/is-forgiveness-always-necessary-when-my-kindle-starts-a-debate/#comment-336016&quot;&gt;Dianna&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, Dianna. You definitely hit one of the nails on the head (there may be many nails in this!) when you talk about the definition of forgiveness. Even that is hard to pin down! But however we explain forgiveness, you&#039;re also right that living in bitterness is definitely not the way to go. Thank you for sharing your personal example of this. I&#039;m sorry that you had to go through having your good name spoken ill of. But glad you found a way to return back to peace. I appreciate your loving ways and tender heart you have as you move through our world!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lisanotes.com/is-forgiveness-always-necessary-when-my-kindle-starts-a-debate/#comment-336016">Dianna</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, Dianna. You definitely hit one of the nails on the head (there may be many nails in this!) when you talk about the definition of forgiveness. Even that is hard to pin down! But however we explain forgiveness, you&#8217;re also right that living in bitterness is definitely not the way to go. Thank you for sharing your personal example of this. I&#8217;m sorry that you had to go through having your good name spoken ill of. But glad you found a way to return back to peace. I appreciate your loving ways and tender heart you have as you move through our world!</p>
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		By: LisaNotes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 22:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lisanotes.com/is-forgiveness-always-necessary-when-my-kindle-starts-a-debate/#comment-336015&quot;&gt;Amanda Ann Gregory&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m so appreciative of you chiming in here, Amanda! I love how much your book is making me think. Your title alone was enough to pique my curiosity, and your message inside the book is keeping me reading. I appreciate that you point out we need to listen when someone says &quot;but we need more research&quot; and that&#039;s there just not been enough solid research on forgiveness. This is a courageous book to put out into a culture where the consensus is often that we &quot;must&quot; forgive in every circumstance. &quot;Healing together in the gray&quot; isn&#039;t as popular a message, but I find more reality in it. 

I&#039;m glad you and Dr. Luskin agree that forgiveness isn&#039;t beneficial to anyone when it&#039;s forced. I&#039;ve read both his books on forgiveness and I&#039;m actually finding more agreement between the two of you than disagreements (despite the titles of your books, ha). I think he would approve of the section in your book about our typical definitions of forgiveness not even being accurate. I look forward to continuing reading more of what you write in this book!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lisanotes.com/is-forgiveness-always-necessary-when-my-kindle-starts-a-debate/#comment-336015">Amanda Ann Gregory</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m so appreciative of you chiming in here, Amanda! I love how much your book is making me think. Your title alone was enough to pique my curiosity, and your message inside the book is keeping me reading. I appreciate that you point out we need to listen when someone says &#8220;but we need more research&#8221; and that&#8217;s there just not been enough solid research on forgiveness. This is a courageous book to put out into a culture where the consensus is often that we &#8220;must&#8221; forgive in every circumstance. &#8220;Healing together in the gray&#8221; isn&#8217;t as popular a message, but I find more reality in it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you and Dr. Luskin agree that forgiveness isn&#8217;t beneficial to anyone when it&#8217;s forced. I&#8217;ve read both his books on forgiveness and I&#8217;m actually finding more agreement between the two of you than disagreements (despite the titles of your books, ha). I think he would approve of the section in your book about our typical definitions of forgiveness not even being accurate. I look forward to continuing reading more of what you write in this book!</p>
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		By: LisaNotes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LisaNotes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 22:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lisanotes.com/is-forgiveness-always-necessary-when-my-kindle-starts-a-debate/#comment-336013&quot;&gt;Jean Wise&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh, Jean, how much I would love to gather with you, sitting around a table with our blogging friends to talk and laugh and ponder these deep things of life! I&#039;m sure I would benefit from your grief course. Such wisdom you impart there, I&#039;m certain!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lisanotes.com/is-forgiveness-always-necessary-when-my-kindle-starts-a-debate/#comment-336013">Jean Wise</a>.</p>
<p>Oh, Jean, how much I would love to gather with you, sitting around a table with our blogging friends to talk and laugh and ponder these deep things of life! I&#8217;m sure I would benefit from your grief course. Such wisdom you impart there, I&#8217;m certain!</p>
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		By: LisaNotes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 22:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://lisanotes.com/is-forgiveness-always-necessary-when-my-kindle-starts-a-debate/#comment-336012&quot;&gt;Martha J Orlando&lt;/a&gt;.

Always so many things to be thinking about. :) I have to remember to give my brain a break at night! lol.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://lisanotes.com/is-forgiveness-always-necessary-when-my-kindle-starts-a-debate/#comment-336012">Martha J Orlando</a>.</p>
<p>Always so many things to be thinking about. 🙂 I have to remember to give my brain a break at night! lol.</p>
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		By: Dianna		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 18:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hmmm...you, Girlfriend, always make me think!  It&#039;s one of the many things that I love about you. :)

I understand that you have clearly stated that the debate is about whether or not we can experience full recovery without forgiveness in the picture.  Should we try and define forgiveness?  How do we do it?  

 Given the emphasis that Jesus places on forgiveness in the Gospels, I can&#039;t envision that complete recovery could be through any other means than forgiveness.  It doesn&#039;t mean that we forget, necessarily.  Neither does it mean that we allow ourselves the opportunity to be hurt by the same people again.  But I do believe that forgiving the person of their wronging me will free me from bitterness.

An example out of my own life would be from a while back when a couple of family members were constantly stirring up trouble in the family.  We were being accused of things that simply were not true, and the accusations hurt deeply.  I became filled with bitterness as a result of it all.  I became so miserable that it was hard for me to stand myself.  I went to Father in prayer and asked Him to help me to forgive these two family members...but &quot; how do I do it?&quot; I asked.  Pray was His answer and I began praying for both of these individuals on a daily basis and one day when I was praying, I realized I no longer held any bitterness toward them.

My brain and my heart both thank you for being brave and putting this out there for us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;you, Girlfriend, always make me think!  It&#8217;s one of the many things that I love about you. 🙂</p>
<p>I understand that you have clearly stated that the debate is about whether or not we can experience full recovery without forgiveness in the picture.  Should we try and define forgiveness?  How do we do it?  </p>
<p> Given the emphasis that Jesus places on forgiveness in the Gospels, I can&#8217;t envision that complete recovery could be through any other means than forgiveness.  It doesn&#8217;t mean that we forget, necessarily.  Neither does it mean that we allow ourselves the opportunity to be hurt by the same people again.  But I do believe that forgiving the person of their wronging me will free me from bitterness.</p>
<p>An example out of my own life would be from a while back when a couple of family members were constantly stirring up trouble in the family.  We were being accused of things that simply were not true, and the accusations hurt deeply.  I became filled with bitterness as a result of it all.  I became so miserable that it was hard for me to stand myself.  I went to Father in prayer and asked Him to help me to forgive these two family members&#8230;but &#8221; how do I do it?&#8221; I asked.  Pray was His answer and I began praying for both of these individuals on a daily basis and one day when I was praying, I realized I no longer held any bitterness toward them.</p>
<p>My brain and my heart both thank you for being brave and putting this out there for us.</p>
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		By: Amanda Ann Gregory		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 17:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Lisa, I&#039;m Amanda Ann Greogry, the author of You Don&#039;t Need to Forgive. I&#039;m so glad my book challenged the status quo in your mind AND that your mind was open to such a challenge. Many minds are not. I have always sought comfort and safety in black-or-white conceptualizations, and it took me a long time to embrace the fact that living in gray is closer to the truth. However, it’s still uncomfortable, and I don’t prefer it. I wish that the field of Psychology would discover one concrete experience that would help everyone. If that turns out to be forgiveness, then I would be its most prominent advocate. However, we don’t have a panacea, so we must heal together in the gray. 

PS: I sent an advance copy of You Don’t Need to Forgive to Dr. Luskin, and although we disagree on aspects of forgiveness, he reiterated that we agree that forgiveness that is forced, pressured, or pursued when it’s not in one&#039;s best interest of the forgiver is not beneficial for anyone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lisa, I&#8217;m Amanda Ann Greogry, the author of You Don&#8217;t Need to Forgive. I&#8217;m so glad my book challenged the status quo in your mind AND that your mind was open to such a challenge. Many minds are not. I have always sought comfort and safety in black-or-white conceptualizations, and it took me a long time to embrace the fact that living in gray is closer to the truth. However, it’s still uncomfortable, and I don’t prefer it. I wish that the field of Psychology would discover one concrete experience that would help everyone. If that turns out to be forgiveness, then I would be its most prominent advocate. However, we don’t have a panacea, so we must heal together in the gray. </p>
<p>PS: I sent an advance copy of You Don’t Need to Forgive to Dr. Luskin, and although we disagree on aspects of forgiveness, he reiterated that we agree that forgiveness that is forced, pressured, or pursued when it’s not in one&#8217;s best interest of the forgiver is not beneficial for anyone.</p>
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